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The Washington Treaty was not applied to Commonwealth Warships. Australia elects to keep it's only B/C. What type of modifications could have been expected for WW2. I suspect it would be harder than a...

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Australia was not a signatory to WNT. So there approval or lack thereof is a moot point. The whole process of whether or not the Dominions were to be counted as separate navies from the British was...

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A massive rebuild doesn't make sense to me. If the role (12" cruiser) can be retained at the London conferences it would make more sense to replace with new ones. If not (more likely, IMO, the other...

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The basis of retaining Australia and transferring it to the RAN is that the ACRs that existed at the drafting of the WNT were excluded from the structure of the WNT. They did not count against any...

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OK, a massive rebuild is very expensive, a replacement like for like illegal so as I said they substitute (with the Hawkins class) for the first eight or more treaty cruisers. Come WWII they're gone...

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Caden2248 wrote:The basis of retaining Australia and transferring it to the RAN is that the ACRs that existed at the drafting of the WNT were excluded from the structure of the WNT. They did not count...

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Caden2248 wrote:Australia was not a signatory to WNT. Australia was a signatory to the WNT in her own right, as were the other self-governing Dominions. Sent from my HTC One XL using Yuku app

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[/quote]Unlike Canada, New Zealand, Malaya, which were paid for by their namesakes ...[/quote] I dont think Canada paid for HMS Canada Sent from my HTC One XL using Yuku app

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Not in the sense that they were award battle fleets beyond CAs. The Dominions signed under the umbrella of the British. This is where we shall probably disagree. Had they signed as a full signatory,...

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Caden2248 wrote:Not in the sense that they were award battle fleets beyond CAs. The Dominions signed under the umbrella of the British. This is where we shall probably disagree. Had they signed as a...

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Given the position Billy Hughes took at Versailles (where he put Wilson firmly in his place) if Australia had really wanted to keep their flagship you can bet your bottom dollar that Hughes would have...

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Caden2248 wrote:Not in the sense that they were award battle fleets beyond CAs. The Dominions signed under the umbrella of the British. This is where we shall probably disagree. Had they signed as a...

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Hmmm. By London Dev would have loved to +#%!* (OK, I'll spell that in Oirish, quare ) the pitch but I doubt he'd have actually built anything he was allocated.  I gues the Saorstadt government wanted...

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thecroft47 wrote:Add 10 metres of length and Agincourt would have identical length and width of HMS Tiger. There is your approximate SHP needed for whatever speed is required.Oddly enough I've been...

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Very late to party... I think you are have ***** envy with wanting Agincourt. If HMS Agincourt becomes HMAS Australia, one of the Iron Duke class goes to scrap yard instead and that isn’t equal trade....

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You will have to word it differently to LNT30. The LNT30 clause allowed a limited number of ships to be disposed of by conversion to TS - but once converted they were disposed of, and couldnt be...

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Larrikin22 wrote:Given the position Billy Hughes took at Versailles (where he put Wilson firmly in his place) if Australia had really wanted to keep their flagship you can bet your bottom dollar that...

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emc wrote:Larrikin22 wrote:Given the position Billy Hughes took at Versailles (where he put Wilson firmly in his place) if Australia had really wanted to keep their flagship you can bet your bottom...

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Maybe the rebuild needs to be a little closer to the 38/39 time frame... But you start with installation of front boiler/wing shafts turbines - a re-engine/re-boiler exercise + the DP turrets/ LAA -...

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ChrisPat wrote:Hmmm. By London Dev would have loved to +#%!* (OK, I'll spell that in Oirish, quare ) the pitch but I doubt he'd have actually built anything he was allocated.  I gues the Saorstadt...

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Hughes may have been able too prevent the Washington Treaty. He may also gotten his own allocation and a treaty which precluded buying heavy guns and ships from abroad, or at least from British...

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